I.N.D.E.P.E.N.D.E.N.T Do You Know What That Mean?
First off I must say that this article poses more questions than it does advice or tips. It is meant to be an open discussion on Independent Women and what it means to be independent.
So, I couldn't help but to feel an urge to write an article after hearing this song on the radio that is “sung” by modern hop artist Webbie featuring Lil Boosie and Lil Phat(WOW...they must have not been able to book Little Duckling...does anyone else notice the fact that our men, and sometimes our women are literally belittling themselves by putting "Lil" in front of their stage names? When are we going to grow up?) (please note that I only know their names after googling independent, song...LOL. They don't get the reward of the hip in front the hop, because in my opinion there is nothing hip about this type of music and it is definitely not true hip-hop..I digress.) So as he spelled out the word independent so rhythmically, and as I listened to and read the lyrics, I began to wonder, “how do women define independence these days?” In this song, these men obviously define independence as a woman who has everything already, always looks good, never smell (like onion rings), has her own money, and I quote “Cuz She Got Her Own Money...She Don't Need No Help Mane”, and then they basically say later down the line that she only need a man for sex. So, are we women supposed to be duped into believing that our better halves are no longer needed for us to be whole women except for a rendezvous in the sack? Why do these songs regarding independent women always involve and focus on material wealth and vanity. Can a woman not be defined as independent solely based on your individualistic way of thinking outside of how much money she has or if she has toe nails that matches her range rover!
What does being Independent or an Independent woman mean to you? Does it entail you gaining financial wealth for self? Making your own decisions regardless of your man? And for the single Sisters out there especially, what does it mean to you to be Independent, and do you think that any of your “independent” views would change if you were not single? Can you be an independent woman while being married? Sisters, married and single...How do you define Independence as a woman?
I have met many sisters in relationships(mainly married) who say that they split up chores and even their money down the line 50/50, do you feel that this causes separation within a relationship. How do you and your mate handle your finances? Do you keep your to yourself and he does what he will with his while splitting all the bills 50/50? Then there are others who have certain responsibilities that the woman of the house is in charge of and certain things that the man is in charge of, a bit more tribal so to speak; and usually it is domestically traditional, meaning the woman takes care of the home and the man works. My personal set up is the latter. As odd as it may sound, I have wanted to be a homemaker since High-school. I remember telling my mother this at an early age. I shared this goal of mine with a young man from Tanzania that that this was my goal in life...to be a stay at home mother, and he literally stopped in his tracks and looked at me in dis-belief, as if women of our type were extinct, and he had just come in contact with a rare specimen. So I say all of that to ask yet another question to the stay at home mothers, do you ever feel that you are not respected as much by women who work outside of the home because of your “domestic” art? Do you ever feel that you are looked at by “working” women as being too dependent?
Sorry for all of the questions, but while this song is not on par with my taste, it did inspire me to ask these questions...goes to show, everything has a purpose, no matter how much or how little we may like it. Share your thoughts Sisters!
My Thoughts on Independence
Wow. This a really good topic!!! I was raised by a single mother. She always taught me to be strong and to NEVER wait on a man to do anything for you because most likely you'll end up doing it yourself. I'll use this scenario as an example. My mother has asked my uncles on several occasions to come over to her house and fix a few things, maybe paint, or change the tiles on the floors, etc. Things of that nature. Almost every time they either come over, do half of the work and never come back or they half do it and my mother ends up doing it anyway. So when it comes to fixing up things I don't find anything wrong with asking a man for help or to do it for you but, I think it's nothing wrong with us women doing it ourselves too if we can. Its nothing wrong with a woman picking up a few buckets of paint and painting.
I also happen to have aunts and neighbors who do their own outdoor work (trash, gardening, mowing the lawn, etc). Some of them are married and some are single. Some enjoy outdoor work. Myself- I actually went outside today and though boy our curb needs to sweeping and cleaning up. I live in 2 family flat with my boyfriend. Our neighbor is a guy. I work from home so I was thinking when I get a little break from my work I should go outside and sweep the curb. Then I thought I'll be damned if I get out there and do it when there are two men living at this address. I also feel that because I do 100% of the work in the house, I'm not doing outdoors as well. That's my preference, I don't mind doing indoor housework but, outdoors is just not for me. I don't like to submit to the gender stereotyping but, at the same time I guess I do because I refuse to do outdoor work.
Relationship speaking. I've been with my boyfriend for over 2 years now. We live together. Prior to us living together, I had my own apartment, my own car that I paid for, etc. I worked hard for what I had but, my independence went beyond and (still does) material things. Most of all it's because I can think for myself. One of the reasons why my partner and I are together is because he and I share some of the same views but I've came to those conclusions due to my own thinking, researching, knowledge, etc. Even though sometimes we can enlighten each other on things we still make our own decisions. I just recently started my own business where I work from home. I think that having my own business, my own goals, and dreams alone without letting anyone else construe those goals, dreams, etc. makes me independent.
Financially we split our joint bills 50/50 (rent, utilities). I think as far as everything else it always kind of balances out. Sometimes I pay for groceries and sometimes he does. Sometimes he pays for us to go out and sometimes I do. I don't believe in the man having to pay for everything. If there is a time that I need something and he has it then its mine. If he ever needs something and I have it then its his.
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So Funny
Right when I was reading this article... I heard I.N.D.E.P.E.N.D.E.N.T blasting in the background of the home.
Independent spirit
I think an independant woman can be defined as the following:
-A single women who takes care of her own food, clothing, shelter and/or children without the constant assistance of government, family, or friends as a result of ill-decisions on her part. This person would neither obligate other family and friends to care for the responsibilites that she herself has taken on, whether they are the results of good or bad decisions.
-A married woman who, although in union with her husband, still carries her own identity, ideas and thoughts separate from that of her husband, while maintaing that bond and unity with her husband and children. She also doesn't obligate other family and friends to care for the responsibilites that she herself has taken on, whether they are the results of good or bad decisions.
In other words, a woman's independence doesn't rest with or without a man. It rests in her intelligence to make decisions that will benefit her and all involved without sacrificing who she is or wants to be. Neither will her responsibilities suffer as a result.
yes i know what that mean"s"
That's an interesting view on the avari-ous attitude of hip-hops version of "independent women". I also had a question or maybe more of a concern about the thing that song implies...
Why is it that women need a special kind of recognition for taking care of themselves and handling their responsibilities? However, a man that takes care of his needs, wants, responsibilities, and more is simply called a "real man?"
This implies things that enrage me as a woman. We are NOT the inadequate gender that needs praise for taking care of our own selves. Females with the ability to handle their own shouldn't be recognized as some elite group, worthy of standing next to a man.
This might just be the womanism in me ranting, but really.....why is having all of the aforementioned qualities called being a man, but as a woman it is some special breed.
It really shouldn't be this way ladies...we should be sick and tired of men pronouncing us good/bad/worthy/inadequate it's not their rights. And really we should stop giving it to them.
While I'm sure songs like these are good natured...they are very harmful when we embrace titles that may bring us up in social caste but put our sisters down. Just think about it...
-T
Wanting that role
I am a single mother with a man. I say it like that because I am the one who bares the responsibility of taking care of a child that is not my OTHERS. He loves her and everything but I am one of those women who can't ask a man for anything. That doesn't mean i like it. It's a longing of mine to be in a position where i can stay at home with my daughter. She just turned 10 and she's growing up so fast I feel like I am missing something.
I used to think that Homeschooling was a negative for the children. But with reading that so many of you homeschool and also feeling disillusioned by the current public school system , I have come to feel more comfortable with the concept.
Indepdence, is knowing who you are and allowing yourself to follow the path for which you are destined. Once you reach that destination you become more free than you've ever been. I hope to reach that some day.
Hmmmmm....
As always, you bring up some very important questions to wonder over... Give thanks!
Firtly, my initial thoughts when reading this post was a sad one...
Maybe it's just my experience, but I feel this has been a cause for GREAT divide within the womban circle where judgements between "the two sides" throw negativity at each other's choices in life... I can't tell you the number of times I have randomly heard "career women" (through people I know and even on the street!) that being a "traditional stay at home woman" is for lazy people with no ambition... and I've also heard women who enjoy home life to say how selfish career women are for putting their career before or with family... I also seem to notice that there is no mix of both "sides" in friendship, or it's rare!... this really saddens me.
We can learn so much from each other's journey's, even if it's not necessarily one we want to follow or is right for us.
And what do my male friends make of this? One word that they tend to use is "use-less" to describe their feelings on it... does this form of independence support the holistic family and social unit, where men are valued for their Self journey? Surely there must be a way to potray being a healthy independent-womben without the need to put men down? Balance. Or are men only to be judged and valued by materialistic standards? I don't agree with the concept that in order to gain, something else must fall.
Another point that seems to come across is how independence is focused and concentrating on material/money making... it's not about the intention or responsibility of our choice in how we live. No doubt, money is always an important issue but I think the focus of independence should not be measured only by how we deal/make money.
What if money is really just a form of energy exchange manifested in this form? What if money is just a manifested tool for our Self exploration? Then it's possible to replace this with any number of things that can be used in being independent.
For me, being an independent women is taking space to nurture my needs and provide the tools to do so. Independence is about being a whole unit within my relationship (not needing "my other half" to make up for my Self) ... expressing my needs and doing what I need to do to fulfill happiness....independantly exploring my Self - In turn, my relationship becomes richer too. My SO is also doing just that for his journey and I welcome it!
Just my thoughts!
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Independent by Choice?
Ladies this is a great topic!
I guess I classify as an independent woman, I must say it's not necessarily by choice. There needs to be UNITY in the family and home where both parties - the man AND the woman - are willing to play their roles. I come from a family of very "independent" self-reliant women who expect things from men and have been burned by that expectation. Therefore were forced into an independent lifestyle out of comfort and stability.
I also think women DO NEED to foster our more womanly role that we have or had at one time decided is not worth pursuing. For me, I'd love to have a family a husband, be a wife, and have children to raise and teach and love but I have not decided to do that since I've not met a man that has been offering of his role. Although, I must admit that I have gotten caught up in the flair of independence - the idea that as a free woman I can have more and do more and live more than that of a woman bound by the responsiblity of her mate and children - that seemed so limiting to me in my earlier years. I was also jaded by the relationships around me and the look of the "role" of the woman in a male dominated society. Now, at 30, I can look back and see I did have a few great ones that I was not ready for that could have installed me as wife and mother and stay-at-home BUT would I have been happy? I doubt it - I'd probably been divorced or committed adultery - and I'm just being honest! My mind was not right at those times.
Now I am so seeking of that stability and partnership and can see both sides - the independent woman with a job and manicured nails and a man to sleep with (and that's pretty much it) vs. a woman in a home with children and a partner. I am preparing myself for the latter lifestyle but only now can I say I'm ready to make that huge change and see that the independent lifestyle to me is not enough.
I think our culture is confused and lost and NOT just us women but the men too... all of my girlfriends can tell me stories upon stories of men that want to be playboys, or just plain boys all their lives - and not just the guys with 4 kids, the independent, professionals... It's not that easy to find a guy that is ready to settle down or wants the traditional lifestyle. It's a huge problem!
I'm not giving up faith - because I truly believe I will find the right one for me but it's a sad state of affairs and we all need work to get to where we need to be. It's not that easy to "give it all up", so to speak, for a different more stable yet very very fulfilling lifestyle of a stay-at-home wife - that's a lot of trust to put on a man and relationship what with divorce rates 50% on the marriage and so much tempation out there to do wrong and live the "free/single" life.
Staying at Home & Loving It!
I'm the oldest of four children, I grew up in a house where I had a lot of responsibility. I've held a full time job since I was 16. In my years of working, I've worked 2 sometimes 3 jobs. And I went to school. I've worked the 3rd shift, I've carried garbage, cleaned up vomit, cleaned poop off of other people's children, and worked for the public school system.
In all my life, I have not had the supreme peace of mind that I have now, being a mother and wife. For real--no b.s. Many mistake stay at home mothers as the type to sit in the house watching "the stories" all day. But while tending to my child, I'm able to be creative, take care of my house hold, be stress free or be stressed about things that concern my family and not anyone elses. I'm also able to work in my community more freely than I did with a out-of-house job.
Folks take for granted how busy, fulfilled and active you can be when you occupy YOUR time with the things YOU want. I told my husband after I stopped working when we couldn't find a baby sitter, "I don't think I'm going back to work outside the house." He said, "that's fine, I feel more comfortable that way and we'll have to just make do." And we're not financially rich or well off, but we're making it. I started a vegetarian plate lunch business, I started back writing poetry and performing...I couldn't have done this working outside of the home.
the word Independant is much like the word individual...we live in this I over WE society, which in the long run hurts our communities.
"Peace, Fight for it"
Divine IZ Earth
Well....as the song goes...
I live in the south and this song is a regular in rotation and I must admit its grown on me a little but, but only for the music not the lyrics. And if you've seen where these men have come from....well this song is an improvement on how women are handled in their songs, but on to the topic at hand. I've always thought that today's woman walks a thin line between being an "independent" woman and accepting your traditional role in a relationship. The roles of man and woman have become so blurred over the years that it's become very difficult to find that happy medium. If you are of the "pop-hop" generation you are aware of the phenomenon of the "gold-digger". There was a backlash (I think) from many men that refused to be put in the position of caring for a women who only had intentions of living off of someone else's fortune. Women are put in a position to show the man that "I don't need you to take care of me but I want you to as the man". I think thats very difficult for this generation and many women just reject the whole idea and jump on the "I don't need a man bandwagon". I've seen many brilliant women give up on families because they wanted their career...I think thats a sad choice that we have to make....but I understand why it needs to be made. I too want to be a homemaker but I want to be a help meet in the true sense of the word. I accept the fact that once I am led to THE man, he will have a vision and that vision will incorporate my life's calling so my fulfillment will come through my household. All of this is dependent on men finding their true roles and acting accordingly. I think independence is doing the work to find your true essence and acting in it patiently knowing that all will be taken care of.
Time is too precious a currency to simply spend or waste; it must be invested.
What?
I tried reading the lyrics and I have no idea what they are talking about.